…the state to do specific research and the Lafayette Clinic had a number of physicians, psychiatrists, of which in fact one was Elliot Luby. He was a psychiatrist and we contacted him to do some of the research with these crazy compounds in both humans…

…we contacted him to do some of the research with these crazy compounds in both humans and that's how I got started with Elliot Luby and that's another thing I learned: never can you do it alone. You need your colleagues to help and what's important is…

…important is if you don't have the skills, you go find the right person that has the skills to do the job and Elliot Luby turned out to be the major then psychiatrist involved with study effects of not only ketamine but a series of other derivatives of…

…yes, yeah the answer is yes. Ketamine turned out to be a very interesting drug for a psychiatrist at the Lafayette Clinic and Elliot Luby is the guy who did the most research in that regard as a board certified psychiatrist in the state system of being…

…on patients and specifically schizophrenia, they were interested in ketamine as a model of schizophrenia and there's a lot of research that Elliot Luby and I but mainly Elliot Luby as the psychiatrist did and if you look up the name l u b y, there's…

…they were interested in ketamine as a model of schizophrenia and there's a lot of research that Elliot Luby and I but mainly Elliot Luby as the psychiatrist did and if you look up the name l u b y, there's a big literature related to his outstanding…

…antidepressant. It was at least 30 years ago long, long time ago. I got some literature on that. I've written a review with Elliott Luby at least 30 years ago and it's part of that review as to when that was was a long, long time ago because…