…that was probably the first national cover story on ayahuasca in 86. But Tom got in touch, and he had a friend named David Goldstein. He's a friend of mine. I love him. Oh, okay, because that guy's like the most brilliant researcher in the world. I…

…for several years. Unfortunately, he passed a couple of years ago, which was, I was saddened by that. And I went to look up David Goldstein and to see if he was still around. And I don't know what, maybe I quit, but I didn't do it long enough because…