…developed by a consultant chemist, Tupac. Davis in Detroit he was at Wayne state university, a fellow by the name of Cal Stevens, and he was their consultant and they said they have some goofy phencyclidine derivatives and that their people are showing…

…a number of ketamine analogs that have never been developed by Park Davis. They're all published in the old literature by Cal Stevens in the medical chemistry literature. There's a lot of research on the different kinds of chemicals that he and his…

…hand chemicals. If I look at the history of ketamine that's described in the many books that you edited, it seems like Cal Stevens maybe predicted how successful it would be because didn't he try to patent it separately, away from Park Davis? Wasn't there…

…and his students developed that particular reaction and made a number of chemicals. Then what happened? And this is really bad Cal Stevens gets the compounds and patents them. He gets the patents on the damn compounds, does not tell Park Davis but gives…

…they realized that ketamine should go into the clinics they tried to patent the damn thing and they find out that Cal Stevens only patented it, which caused a major problem between Wayne state university and Park Davis and the medical chemistry department.…

…Stevens only patented it, which caused a major problem between Wayne state university and Park Davis and the medical chemistry department. Cal Stevens was considered one of the dirtiest but nevertheless he did what he did and as a result it's been a major…

…is the right thing to do, even though it seems from a financial point of view, the wrong way to go. As a result, Cal Stevens has been treated by one of my anesthesiologists. A couple of years ago he was in the process of a severe surgery and Cal…

…has been treated by one of my anesthesiologists. A couple of years ago he was in the process of a severe surgery and Cal Stevens was treated by one of the anesthesiologists here for his surgical procedure. He was asked or at least I was asked would you…

…the anesthesiologists here for his surgical procedure. He was asked or at least I was asked would you like to go and meet Cal Stevens here at university hospital. I said: you know, I was told by the Park Davis people never to interact with that guy…

…guy because he took our patents and patented himself and as a result believe it or not I turned down the invitation to meet Cal Stevens in his old age stupid me I should have really talked to him but I didn't, because I still remember that Cal Stevens…

…meet Cal Stevens in his old age stupid me I should have really talked to him but I didn't, because I still remember that Cal Stevens was considered a dirty word among the people at Park Davis. And what do you think Cal Stevens was trying to do? He…

…because I still remember that Cal Stevens was considered a dirty word among the people at Park Davis. And what do you think Cal Stevens was trying to do? He was trying to like: did he think that he could sell it independently in Belgium or what was…

…like: did he think that he could sell it independently in Belgium or what was his plan? Doing that? Well I don't know. Cal Stevens is a hell of a by the way we're not talking about a foolish man we're talking about an excellent medicinal chemist. This…

…a good chemist. You know we're talking about people the good and the other sides of different people but I always knew Cal Stevens as an outstanding chemist. So did the Park Davis people. It's like saying: you know, you're the chemist you come up with…

…hired you, you go and patent them yourself. That's not good. If that was a mistake I believe it was a mistake on the part of Cal Stevens wow, just got to the top of a 511b not trying to brag, I think I did it with the help of this matcha infused…