…and I'm really interested to hear your experience with psychedelics and addiction and the controversy because of our history with Timothy Leary and Ron Doss or Richard Alpert at the time that we overindulged in using psychedelics. Well, you say that, or,…

…healing that is well worth exploring and offering to more people. It's certainly that. Panacea? No, it isn't. Okay? No. As for Timothy Leary, it depends what view you want to take of him. He was certainly a pioneer, he had certain experiences, and he…

…the scientific evidence of the biopsychosocial nature of human beings. Now, you say to me, what's the difference between you and Timothy Leary, who touted LSD and now you're talking about ayahuasca as a panacea, which of course, one more time, I insist…

…ayahuasca or MDMA or psilocybin, because it's not It's not the medicine itself or what some people say is a drug. It's as Timothy Leary said, I think, in the 50s, the set and setting, right? And could you speak to that? Just because it's become a…

…to go do ayahuasca or MDMA or psilocybin because it's not the medicine itself or what some people say is a drug. It's as Timothy Leary said, I think, in the 50s, the set and setting, right? Yeah. And could you speak to that? Just because it's become a…