…needed to be held. So that's an example of severe deprivation. Not anybody's fault. It's multigenerational in that family. So when I asked Harry, well, where does that leave you? He says, it leaves me wanting to cuddle my kids and hold them all the time.…

…about that? You know, it's because People are themselves hurt and they have trouble looking at the sources of their pain. So when Harry talks about the source of his pain in his family of origin, and again, this is not a blaming conversation. We pass on…

…needed to be held. So that's an example of severe deprivation. Not anybody's fault. It's multigenerational in that family. So when I asked Harry, well, where does that leave you? He says, it leaves me wanting to cuddle my kids and hold them all the time.…

…about that? You know, it's because people are themselves hurt and they have trouble looking at the sources of their pain. So when Harry talks about the source of his pain in his family of origin, and again, this is not a blaming conversation. We pass on…

…attached to social role and social expectation. And we allow that to trump our inner need for authenticity. So when somebody like Harry struggles all his life to be authentically himself, and that's really what his book is all about, of a human being…

…of historical burden that's keeping that family pretty close and not very open about their struggles. But, you know, at least Harry and his brother did at some point initiate some conversation around this. And that was a step forward. It's so fascinating,…

…I'm not, you know, the stories that the media publish, I don't really read that stuff. I'm just not interested. But the... The Harry story has fascinated me incredibly. Observing it from the outside, it strikes me as though a lot of people who have been…

…change things, as hard as it might be, I sort of feel that people who know what that feels like can see very clearly the Harry story with what is going on. And I feel that people who either have not been traumatized, I'm not sure how many people have…

…a British psychiatrist, very respectable tie and respectable collar and very respectable demeanor, who did this online critique of my interview with Harry. I'm not going to go into the whole thing. I only watched a few minutes of it. One of the things he…

…their life experiences. I'd be acting in exactly the same way as them. And I think, Gabor, that really speaks to the whole Harry conversation. A lot of people will think, what's he moaning about? He's got as much money as he wants, or he certainly did.…

…all, but I've seen quite a lot of it. And there was a really profound part in it where you said to Prince Harry, that your impression of his childhood was one of deprivation, but you weren't talking about physical deprivation. You were talking about…

…I treated them lovingly a lot of the time. In significant ways, I didn't. Because of my own stuff. So in the case of Harry, it's not that his parents didn't love him. I'm sure they did. But If you look at the Adverse Childhood Experiences studies, the…

…mother is often absent, when the father is emotionally distant, again, this is deprivation. These are guaranteed. So when Harry, in his book, describes his various diagnoses, of agoraphobia, severe panic attacks, of post-traumatic stress, of episodes, not…

…of the adverse childhood experiences, not just one, not just two, at least three. And I think in the conversation with Harry, you and Harry just had maybe six traumatic experiences, which If as clinicians or as compassionate human beings, we were looking…

…childhood experiences, not just one, not just two, at least three. And I think in the conversation with Harry, you and Harry just had maybe six traumatic experiences, which If as clinicians or as compassionate human beings, we were looking at that, we…

…are... So there's powerful social factors here that make life much more burdensome for some people. And let's not forget that. And Harry himself told me that he's had a crash course in racism over the last few years. So... Let's acknowledge, first of all,…

…on a social level. Yeah. Yeah. I want to talk about the second part of that clip from the conversation you had with Harry and that's to do with labeling. As we've said before in previous discussions that we've had together, you know, certainly one of my…

…medicine of what, not the medicine of why. It's the medicine of symptomatology, not the medicine of etiology. And I think Harry very astutely mentions in that conversation that labelling is not helpful. He said, labeling really is simply saying what is…

…as fickle, they called him. I imagine it's a British expression for stupid, thick-headed. So I was saying to him, Harry, there's nothing wrong with you. Your distractibility and your poor impulse regulation, your difficulty listening to a lecture, these are…

…would do a great service to mental health awareness and it would help people understand themselves and I think understand Prince Harry a lot better through that conversation. But nonetheless, it's not. Your book, Scattered Minds is a fabulous read and…

…So yes, there's biology involved, but that biology is not determined by genetics. What is genetic here is what I've said about Harry and a lot of other people. There are genes for sensitivity. So here's the shinny on genetics and mental health. For all…

…are afflicted to women, right? So we've covered that. And I think it's really, really interesting This is not really in relation to Harry. I want to broaden it out beyond Harry because I think Harry had some quite unique pressures that most of us, 99.9%…

…that. And I think it's really, really interesting This is not really in relation to Harry. I want to broaden it out beyond Harry because I think Harry had some quite unique pressures that most of us, 99.9% of the world's population will never know what…

…really, really interesting This is not really in relation to Harry. I want to broaden it out beyond Harry because I think Harry had some quite unique pressures that most of us, 99.9% of the world's population will never know what sort of expectation there…

…finding their vulnerability that they've had to suppress all their lives. So that's how it works with men. And you know, Harry and I did talk about vulnerability. Vulnerability comes from the Latin word, vulnerare, to wound. And human beings are profoundly…

…This has been the consequence. So I think there's a wider point here, which is about blame. Okay, it relates to the Prince Harry conversation. It relates to even how we talk about the royal family. Your conversation with Prince Harry is, What I've heard…

…Okay, it relates to the Prince Harry conversation. It relates to even how we talk about the royal family. Your conversation with Prince Harry is, What I've heard from what you've explained was not about blaming his brother or his father or his uncle or…

…when someone as respected as yourself in this field shares things like that. I think it's great when people like Prince Harry share that you can get traumatized anywhere. And this, it really speaks to honesty, helping people understand, because without the…

…what can people actually do to start healing themselves? Yeah, so this question very much came up in my conversation with Prince Harry and reading his book, but also, you know, doing my own work and observing. There's certain principles or practices and…

…a professional, but somebody don't be alone with it. In other words, share it, talk about it. That's the first principle. Harry, in his own book, writes very beautifully about his experience of nature. Nature was very healing for him, being outdoors in…

…sunsets and sunrises. Nature is harmonizing in our society. We're so alienated from nature. We have to get back into nature to heal. Harry talked about meditation being very important for him. That's not easy for an ADD brain to do, or for any brain to…

…doesn't cost a penny. Relationships in my own healing, my marriage relationship has been such a reality check. I know that's true for Harry as well. We talked about that a bit. He talks about it in his book. I know it's true for your marriage because…

…you back to yourself and grounds you and calls you on your stuff. So I think relationship is really important for healing. Harry mentioned service to other people. In other words, living a life that isn't just for you. Isn't the life that isn't all…

…there's a lot of spiritual tradition and practice and wisdom. So that's an important part, whatever form that takes for you. And then Harry and I talked about psychedelics as well. We both had experiences with it. He told me, how did he put it? He said…

…that. Throughout this conversation, we've both been very mindful to talk about privilege and opportunity. And of course, someone like Prince Harry, would no doubt have had the resources and access to some of the best therapists out there. Now, of course,…

…therapists out there. Now, of course, you mentioned statistics from people in more deprived communities than, let's say, Prince Harry, certainly from a physical and materialistic viewpoint. for someone, because these conversations go all over the world, right?…

…needed to be held. So that's an example of severe deprivation. Not anybody's fault. It's multigenerational in that family. So when I asked Harry, well, where does that leave you? He says it leaves me wanting to cuddle my kids and hold them all the time.…

…about that? You know, it's because... People are themselves hurt and they have trouble looking at the sources of their pain. So when Harry talks about the source of his pain in his family of origin, and again, this is not a blaming conversation. We pass…

…attached to social role and social expectation. And we allow that to trump our inner need for authenticity. So when somebody like Harry struggles all his life to be authentically himself, and that's really what his book is all about, of a human being…

…of historical burden that's keeping that family pretty close and not very open about their struggles. But, you know, at least Harry and his brother did at some point initiate some conversation around this and that was a step forward. It's so fascinating,…

…I'm not, you know, the stories that the media publish, I don't really read that stuff. I'm just not interested. But the... The Harry story has fascinated me incredibly. Observing it from the outside, it strikes me as though a lot of people who have been…

…change things, as hard as it might be, I sort of feel that people who know what that feels like can see very clearly the Harry story with what is going on. And I feel that people who either have not been traumatized, I'm not sure how many people have…

…a British psychiatrist, very respectable tie and respectable collar and very respectable demeanor, who did this online critique of my interview with Harry. I'm not going to go into the whole thing. I only watched a few minutes of it. One of the things he…

…their life experiences, I'd be acting in exactly the same way as them. And I think, Gabor, that really speaks to the whole Harry conversation. A lot of people will think, what's he moaning about? He's got as much money as he wants, or he certainly did.…

…all, but I've seen quite a lot of it. And there was a really profound part in it where you said to Prince Harry, that your impression of his childhood was one of deprivation, but you weren't talking about physical deprivation. You were talking about…

…treated them lovingly a lot of the time. In significant ways, I didn't. Because of my own stuff. So in the case of Harry, it's not that his parents didn't love him. I'm sure they did. But... If you look at the Adverse Childhood Experiences studies, the…

…mother is often absent, when the father is emotionally distant, again, this is deprivation. These are guaranteed. So when Harry, in his book, describes his various diagnoses, of agoraphobia, severe panic attacks, of post-traumatic stress, of episodes, not…

…of the adverse childhood experiences, not just one, not just two, at least three. And I think in the conversation with Harry, you and Harry just had maybe six traumatic experiences, which If as clinicians or as compassionate human beings, we were looking…

…childhood experiences, not just one, not just two, at least three. And I think in the conversation with Harry, you and Harry just had maybe six traumatic experiences, which If as clinicians or as compassionate human beings, we were looking at that, we…

…are... So there's powerful social factors here that make life much more burdensome for some people. And let's not forget that. And Harry himself told me that he's had a crash course in racism over the last few years. So... Let's acknowledge, first of all,…

…but on a social level. Yeah. I want to talk about the second part of that clip. from the conversation you had with Harry, and that's to do with labeling. As we've said before in previous discussions that we've had together, certainly one of my big…

…medicine of what, not the medicine of why. It's the medicine of symptomatology, not the medicine of etiology. And I think Harry very astutely mentions in that conversation that labelling is not helpful. He said, labeling really is simply saying what is…

…as fickle, they called him. I imagine it's a British expression for stupid, thick-headed. So I was saying to him, Harry, there's nothing wrong with you. Your distractibility and your poor impulse regulation, your difficulty listening to a lecture, these are…

…would do a great service to mental health awareness and it would help people understand themselves and I think understand Prince Harry a lot better through that conversation. But nonetheless, it's not. Your book, Scattered Minds is a fabulous read and…

…So yes, there's biology involved. but that biology is not determined by genetics. What is genetic here is what I've said about Harry and a lot of other people. There are genes for sensitivity. So here's the shinny on genetics and mental health. For all…

…are afflicted to women, right? So we've covered that. And I think it's really, really interesting This is not really in relation to Harry. I want to broaden it out beyond Harry, because I think Harry had some quite unique pressures that most of us, 99.9%…

…that. And I think it's really, really interesting This is not really in relation to Harry. I want to broaden it out beyond Harry, because I think Harry had some quite unique pressures that most of us, 99.9% of the world's population will never know what…

…really, really interesting This is not really in relation to Harry. I want to broaden it out beyond Harry, because I think Harry had some quite unique pressures that most of us, 99.9% of the world's population will never know what sort of expectation…

…finding their vulnerability that they've had to suppress all their lives. So that's how it works with men. And you know, Harry and I did talk about vulnerability. Vulnerability comes from the Latin word, vulnerare, to wound. And human beings are profoundly…

…did. This has been the consequence. So I think there's a wider point here, which is about blame. It relates to the Prince Harry conversation. It relates to even how we talk about the royal family. Your conversation with Prince Harry What I've heard from…

…blame. It relates to the Prince Harry conversation. It relates to even how we talk about the royal family. Your conversation with Prince Harry What I've heard from what you've explained was not about blaming his brother or his father or his uncle or his…

…when someone as respected as yourself in this field shares things like that. I think it's great when people like Prince Harry share that you can get traumatized anywhere. And this, it really speaks to honesty, helping people understand, because without the…

…what can people actually do to start healing themselves? Yeah, so this question very much came up in my conversation with Prince Harry and reading his book, but also, you know, doing my own work and observing. There's certain principles or practices and…

…a professional, but somebody don't be alone with it. In other words, share it, talk about it. That's the first principle. Harry, in his own book, writes very beautifully about his experience of nature. Nature was very healing for him, being outdoors in…

…sunsets and sunrises. Nature is harmonizing in our society. We're so alienated from nature. We have to get back into nature to heal. Harry talked about meditation being very important for him. That's not easy for an ADD brain to do, or for any brain to…

…Doesn't cost a penny. Relationships. In my own healing, my marriage relationship has been such a reality check. I know that's true for Harry as well. We talked about that a bit. He talks about it in his book. I know it's true for your marriage because…

…you back to yourself and grounds you and calls you on your stuff. So I think relationship is really important for healing. Harry mentioned service to other people. In other words, living a life that isn't just for you. Isn't the life that isn't all…

…there's a lot of spiritual tradition and practice and wisdom. So that's an important part, whatever form that takes for you. And then Harry and I talked about psychedelics as well. We both had experiences with it. He told me, how did he put it? He said…

…sharing that. Throughout this conversation, we've both been very mindful to talk about privilege and opportunity. And of course, someone like Prince Harry is, would no doubt have had the resources and access to some of the best therapists out there. Now, of…

…therapists out there. Now, of course, you mentioned statistics from people in more deprived communities than let's say Prince Harry, certainly from a physical and materialistic viewpoint. for someone because these conversations go all over the world, right?…

…I agreed to it. So I didn't follow my gut feeling. So I lost myself even in agreeing to the format. And afterwards, Harry and I both wanted it released to the public for free, but the lawyer said, you can't do that because this is advertised…

…you. Of, yeah. Well, oh boy. They called me a stern, overbearing merchant of pain. You know? At some point in the interview, when Harry was, and the other thing was, see Harry really was a traumatized child. And when you read his book, you can see why.…

…a stern, overbearing merchant of pain. You know? At some point in the interview, when Harry was, and the other thing was, see Harry really was a traumatized child. And when you read his book, you can see why. And people couldn't understand how this is…

…affair even before he's born, where the mothers are troubled, very sensitive, very creative, warm-hearted, but very unbalanced young woman so Harry describes in his book that he's 12 years old when his mother is killed. How he's told about his mother's…

…happened, there was an accident, your mother didn't make it. Then there's a few moments of awkward silence, and finally Charles touches Harry on the knee and says, but it'll be okay, and leaves the room. And this is how this 12-year-old was told. nobody…

…five year old kid behind when she returned to England she greeted him by shaking his hand and now What I said to Harry was that even animals hold and touch their kids, their infants. Mammals, that's what they do. Because mother rats, when the baby is…

…terms with the fact that their wealth is based on the traumatization of foreign peoples, which incidentally was one of the crimes of Harry, is that he pointed that out. Let's face it, the royalty, the wealth that I was born into, was achieved at the…

…of that is, where we used to call it the red mist with him, where he would literally lose control. Which is incidentally what Harry used to call his anger. Oh, really? Yeah. So my friend, one of my best friends in the world, he talks about this all…

…going on in that moment i was challenging i was taking him back probably Well, and you know what? Again, to come back to Harry, that's what happened to him. They called him stupid and fickle and naughty. And he was none of those things. He just had…

…did. This has been the consequence. So I think there's a wider point here, which is about blame. It relates to the Prince Harry conversation. It relates to even how we talk about the royal family. Your conversation with Prince Harry What I've heard from…

…blame. It relates to the Prince Harry conversation. It relates to even how we talk about the royal family. Your conversation with Prince Harry What I've heard from what you've explained was not about blaming his brother or his father or his uncle or his…

…when someone as respected as yourself in this field shares things like that. I think it's great when people like Prince Harry share that you can get traumatized anywhere. And this, it really speaks to honesty, helping people understand, because without the…

…what can people actually do to start healing themselves? Yeah, so this question very much came up in my conversation with Prince Harry and reading his book, but also, you know, doing my own work and observing. There's certain principles or practices and…

…a professional, but somebody don't be alone with it. In other words, share it, talk about it. That's the first principle. Harry, in his own book, writes very beautifully about his experience of nature. Nature was very healing for him, being outdoors in…

…and sunrises. Nature is harmonizing. In our society, we're so alienated from nature. We have to get back into nature to heal. Harry talked about meditation being very important for him. Now, That's not easy for an ADD brain to do, or for any brain…

…Doesn't cost a penny. Relationships. In my own healing, my marriage relationship has been such a reality check. I know that's true for Harry as well. We talked about that a bit. He talks about it in his book. I know it's true for your marriage because…

…you back to yourself and grounds you and calls you on your stuff. So I think relationship is really important for healing. Harry mentioned service to other people. In other words, living a life that isn't just for you. Isn't the life that isn't all…

…there's a lot of spiritual tradition and practice and wisdom. So that's an important part, whatever form that takes for you. And then Harry and I talked about psychedelics as well. We both had experiences with it. He told me, how did he put it? He said…

…that. Throughout this conversation, we've both been very mindful to talk about privilege and opportunity. And of course, someone like Prince Harry, would no doubt have had the resources and access to some of the best therapists out there. Now, of course,…

…therapists out there. Now, of course, you mentioned statistics from people in more deprived communities than let's say Prince Harry, certainly from a physical and materialistic viewpoint. for someone because these conversations go all over the world, right?…

…into, we're all susceptible to the same pressures with the same consequences on our physical and our mental health. Now Prince Harry is I think one of the most prominent figures, certainly in the UK, talking about mental health, arguably globally. Until…

…figure by all, but by talking about mental health, that seems to have changed and you've had the opportunity to talk to Harry that was publicized to a lot of people around the world. I'm first of all interested, from talking to someone so prominent…

…for sharing that. It's interesting, and maybe we'll get to this later on in this conversation, how polarizing any conversation around Prince Harry is. And it's really interesting because, I don't know Prince Harry, I've seen him talk about I've seen a lot…

…this later on in this conversation, how polarizing any conversation around Prince Harry is. And it's really interesting because, I don't know Prince Harry, I've seen him talk about I've seen a lot of that interview you had with him. I've seen some of his…

…really get an impression of who is this person? What is really going on here? I got to say, the only thing I get from Prince Harry is somebody who is trying his best to come to terms with his past and then move on. I get the impression this is…

…needed to be held. So that's an example of severe deprivation. Not anybody's fault. It's multigenerational in that family. So when I asked Harry, well, where does that leave you? He says, it leaves me wanting to cuddle my kids and hold them all the time.…

…about that? You know, it's because... People have themselves hurt and they have trouble looking at the sources of their pain. So when Harry talks about the source of his pain in his family of origin, and again, this is not a blaming conversation. We pass…

…attached to social role and social expectation. And we allow that to trump our inner need for authenticity. So when somebody like Harry struggles all his life to be authentically himself, and that's really what his book is all about, of a human being…

…of historical burden that's keeping that family pretty close and not very open about their struggles. But, you know, at least Harry and his brother did at some point initiate some conversation around this. And that was a step forward. It's so fascinating,…

…I'm not, you know, the stories that the media publish, I don't really read that stuff. I'm just not interested. But the... The Harry story has fascinated me incredibly. Observing it from the outside, it strikes me as though a lot of people who have been…

…change things, as hard as it might be, I sort of feel that people who know what that feels like can see very clearly the Harry story with what is going on. And I feel that people who either have not been traumatized, I'm not sure how many people have…

…British psychiatrist, very respectable tie and respectable collar and very respectable demeanor, who did this online critique of my interview with Harry. I'm not going to go into the whole thing. I only watched a few minutes. One of the things he criticized…