…that this population also has the right to defend against the occupation. I'm not justifying the terrible events of October the 7th. I'm talking in the absence of historical awareness. It all just looks like Israel defending itself. But against whom? Against…

…People forget like people. I think Keaton, you made the point on our show last week when when people say, what about October 7th? And you say, well, what about October 6th? What about October 5th? What about October 4th, 3rd, 2nd? What about all the…

…about October 6th? What about October 5th? What about October 4th, 3rd, 2nd? What about all the shit that led up to October 7th? They never want to talk about that. And that's exactly what he's talking about in an occupying force. doesn't have the right…

…So let me throw it over to the two live Jews and see what they have to say. If you take it back before October 7th, like you always say, it's amazing how many people want to start stories in the third act, be it Israel, Hamas, or Ukraine, Russia.…

…start stories in the third act, be it Israel, Hamas, or Ukraine, Russia. If you started the story on October 6th, then October 7th was an act of self-defense by that logic, right? I mean, you're talking about an imprisoned and occupied population that is…

…last two months for people on both sides, for the people who are on the receiving end of this massacre on October the 7th. We've just heard firsthand what that has been like for the people in Israel who suffered that. But also, of course, what's going…

…I completely agree with you. This is a never-ending cycle. I guess from the Israelis' point of view, what happened on October the 7th was on such a gigantically horrific scale. I do get a sense that Israel is in a collective sense of trauma. And they…

…forces. They don't know the history, the subjective experience of the Palestinians. And in the absence of that knowledge, October 7th would just strike them as another horrific antisemitic event. I understand the desire for defense and certainly even a…

…that this population also has the right to defend against the occupation. I'm not justifying the terrible events of October the 7th. I'm talking in the absence of historical awareness. It all just looks like Israel defending itself. But against whom? Against…

…for decades has been completely shameful. And it shouldn't have been happening. I mean, the mere fact that Israel was able, after October the 7th, to simply turn off the supplies of food and water and fuel and so on into Gaza... says it all. That is an…

…the corpses of your family, knowing you could die at any moment. Not that the story begins there, but certainly ever since October 7th, there's been the retelling of the stories of what happened to Israelis at that moment. And ever since this explosion of…

…on for 27,000 dead in Gaza. The big difference for me is that basically suffering, which was genuine on October the 7th, It's humanized. Individual stories are told. We are over and over again talking about the subjective experience of Israelis, and that's…

…of the other side that makes this so asymmetrical and so upsetting for me. Of course, what happened to people on October 7th was horrendous, but absolutely we know those stories and everything is about who is telling the story and whose story matters.…

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…right now, you know, former Twitter. Some Israeli reporter or whatever did a survey of thousands of tweets by Gazans since October 7th, 2023. And although we found, or although he found some condemning Hamas because they're upset at the war and the…

…Gentile in Sodom. He literally said that. You know, he makes a biblical reference. A single Gazan who condemns the massacre on October 7th. And then he goes on to explain that these are human animals and Trump's relocation policy is therefore an act of…

…because they killed us, and now we're going to kill them. It's like we haven't killed them before. It all started on October the 7th, which reminds me of the old joke in Hungary, the fight started when the other guy hit me back. It all began when they…

…in Hungary, the fight started when the other guy hit me back. It all began when they hit me back. So that October 7th is like a unique event. There weren't murders of thousands of Palestinians before it, Israeli hands before, the bombings where hundreds…

…for me, I feel encased daily in grief, just encased in it. Not that the story begins there, but certainly ever since October 7th, there's been the retelling of the stories of what happened to Israelis at that moment. And ever since this explosion of…

…then I'll answer your question. The big difference for me is that the Israeli suffering, which was genuine on October the 7th, it's humanized. Individual stories are told. We are over and over again talking about the subjective experience of Israelis. And…

…much to add. And I want to echo what Gabor said about Gaza, too, that, of course, what happened to people on October 7th was horrendous. But absolutely, we know those stories and everything is about who is telling the story and whose story matters. And…

…and repeated endlessly in the North American media, then it makes perfect sense for you to believe that on October the 7th, where a large number of Jews were killed, that's just like the pogroms and massacres and annihilations that beset the Jewish…

…the past from the present. So from that point of view, these people who died, these Israelis who died on October the 7th, were killed because they were Jews. But if you know the history, then you realize that the Palestinians would have mounted…

…was surrendering the moral superiority of the Palestinian cause by engaging in indiscriminate killing of civilians. And you brought up October 7th and linked it to trauma. We have to acknowledge that on October 7th, there were atrocities that were clearly…

…killing of civilians. And you brought up October 7th and linked it to trauma. We have to acknowledge that on October 7th, there were atrocities that were clearly committed by armed Palestinian factions, not systematic rape, not beheading of babies. This was…

…Israel now. No matter how we look at it, there are some horrible things that were done by the Palestinians on October the 7th because they were full of hate, because they were so traumatized. But if you look at the Washington Post yesterday had an…

…the corpses of your family, knowing you could die at any moment. Not that the story begins there, but certainly ever since October 7th, there's been the retelling of the stories of what happened to Israelis at that moment. And ever since this explosion of…

…on for 27,000 dead in Gaza. The big difference for me is that basically suffering, which was genuine on October the 7th, It's humanized. Individual stories are told. We are over and over again talking about the subjective experience of Israelis. And that's…

…of the other side that makes this so asymmetrical and so upsetting for me. Of course, what happened to people on October 7th was horrendous, but absolutely we know those stories and everything is about who is telling the story and whose story matters.…

…last two months for people on both sides, for the people who are on the receiving end of this massacre on October the 7th. And we've just heard firsthand what that has been like for the people in Israel who suffered that. but also, of course, what's…

…Yes, I completely agree with you. This is a never-ending cycle. I guess from the Israelis' point of view, what happened on October 7th was on such a gigantically horrific scale. I do get a sense that Israel is in a collective sense of trauma And…

…forces. They don't know the history, the subjective experience of the Palestinians. And in the absence of that knowledge, October 7th would just strike them as another horrific anti-Semitic event. I understand the desire for defense and certainly even a…

…that this population also has the right to defend against the occupation. I'm not justifying the terrible events of October the 7th. I'm talking in the absence of historical awareness. It all just looks like Israel defending itself. But against whom? Against…

…for decades has been completely shameful. And it shouldn't have been happening. I mean, the mere fact that Israel was able, after October the 7th, to simply turn off the supplies of food and water and fuel and so on into Gaza, says it all. That is an…

…take responsibility for spreading truth and debunking falsehoods yourself. Now let's examine the math behind Gabor's claim. On October 7th alone, Hamas murdered 1.2 thousand people in the countless other atrocities they've committed over the years. Let's say,…

…opinions about Israel. I'm a Zionist, like the vast majority of Jews in Israel. and he is an anti-Zionist. Since the 7th of October attacks, which were the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, Gabor Mate has been getting interviewed whenever and…

…used against you. Gabor Mate gets out the Jewish card and waves it about, but it doesn't have any meaning for him. The 7th of October attacks were the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. And yes, I'm repeating this since it is very important…

…isn't justifying the Hamas attack, but one sentence later, he is accusing Israel of massacres in 1948, as if that explains the 7th of October attacks. For someone who specializes in trauma, I would expect a bit more sympathy and less blaming, but it seems…

…to the borders it had before 1967. So 18 years ago, Israel did exactly what Gabor suggested, and it didn't prevent the October 7th attack, and it didn't bring about peace. Hamas doesn't act the way it acts because of the collective trauma that the…

…think that is pretty fair. But he also made one stupid comment. I mean, the mere fact that Israel was able, after October the 7th, to simply turn off the supplies of food and water and fuel and so on into Gaza, There are two crucial points here that…

People think that history began on October the 7th. But as a Jew and a former Zionist, I've been very closely engaged with this issue for decades. And already in 1967, it was clear to me that Israel had fought that war to capture territory that they'll…

…Israel had fought that war to capture territory that they'll never give it back. And so that when you look at October the 7th, what people need to understand It didn't begin on that day. It's been an ongoing process dating back long before 1967 of…

…on the scene as the ruling party in Gaza. So if anybody thinks that the traumatization of the Palestinians began on October the 7th, they need to understand that this is an ongoing event that has shadowed all the 20th century beginning in the late 19th…

…to understand that this is an ongoing event that has shadowed all the 20th century beginning in the late 19th and october the 7th was just another not just another but another tragic flare-up in a in an ongoing process i mean israel referred to it at…

…between the West and the Muslim world, particularly the Arab world, did not begin either with 9-11 or with October the 7th, but well over 100 years before then. And speaking of history, your personal history, let's talk about your journey, because it's…

…his take on the Israel-Hamas war. He's an infant survivor of the Holocaust and has been outspoken about both the atrocities of October 7th and Israel's response. Dr Gabor Marte Dr Marty, thank you very much indeed for joining me and thank you for your…

…last two months for people on both sides, for the people who are on the receiving end of this massacre on October the 7th. And we've just heard firsthand what that has been like for the people in Israel who suffered that. But also, of course, what's…

…Yes, I completely agree with you. This is a never-ending cycle. I guess from the Israelis' point of view, what happened on October 7th was on such a gigantically horrific scale. I do get a sense that Israel is in a collective sense of trauma And…

…forces. They don't know the history, the subjective experience of the Palestinians. And in the absence of that knowledge, October 7th would just strike them as another horrific anti-Semitic event. I understand the desire for defense and certainly even a…

…that this population also has the right to defend against the occupation. I'm not justifying the terrible events of October the 7th. I'm talking in the absence of historical awareness. It all just looks like Israel defending itself. But against whom? Against…

…of my own sanity. that have been unfolding in Gaza and, or I should say, sort of exploding in Gaza because, since October 7th. And I say that because those horrors have existed there and been perpetrated there. primarily by Israel for a long time.…

…but over time, You later came to reject Zionism. You've been a very vocal critic of Israel's policies from long before October 7th in 2023. Can you take me through that transformation? What did you learn that changed your mind? I learned reality. I…

…But Israel has also invoked trauma to justify its war on Gaza. The trauma of the Holocaust, the trauma of the October 7th attack itself are what often get referenced. The savagery that we witnessed perpetrated by the Hamas murderers coming out of Gaza…

…have a very narrow, selective and ethnocentric view of history, not just Jews, most people around the world, then October the 7th just seems like another anti-Semitic outrage. and it triggers all that other trauma. And, of course, the event itself, with the…

…very cynical one. of of jewish trauma because that wasn't an attack on jews that was a without justifying the specific events of october 7th or some of them or many of them that wasn't a that was an eruption against an occupation and a siege and it…

…And in it, the audience member repeats some now debunked claims about the Hamas attack in 2023. We are approaching October 7th. Yeah. When the horrible massacre happened in Israel. Yeah. Where young children were murdered, burnt, babies in ovens. That didn't…

…last two months for people on both sides, for the people who are on the receiving end of this massacre on October the 7th. And we've just heard firsthand what that has been like for the people in Israel who suffered that. but also, of course, what's…

…Yes, I completely agree with you. This is a never-ending cycle. I guess from the Israelis' point of view, what happened on October 7th was on such a gigantically horrific scale. I do get a sense that Israel is in a collective sense of trauma. And…

…Hi. So we're here today to talk about what's going on in Israel and Palestine. And three weeks ago today, on October 7th, Hamas entered Israel and killed 1,400 Israelis, took over 200 Israeli citizens hostage. And in response, Israel has retaliated in a…

…over 200 Israeli citizens hostage. And in response, Israel has retaliated in a brutal fashion, killing thousands of Palestinians. And on October 7th, you were away on a very busy speaking tour in Eastern Europe. And you did one radio interview on the…

…It's been a difficult few weeks. So why don't you go ahead and give us your comment, beginning with what happened on October 7th, and then, of course, sharing some of the history before that. But let's begin with October 7th. Well, October 7th was by…

…with what happened on October 7th, and then, of course, sharing some of the history before that. But let's begin with October 7th. Well, October 7th was by any definition an atrocity and a tragedy for those who suffered it. People being killed, civilians,…

…on October 7th, and then, of course, sharing some of the history before that. But let's begin with October 7th. Well, October 7th was by any definition an atrocity and a tragedy for those who suffered it. People being killed, civilians, non-combatants being…

…speak on this issue with full empathy and compassion for the Palestinians, but not for the horror that struck the Israelis on October the 7th. And I have to kind of cop to that because sometimes when I'm trying to speak to the history of this and I'm…

…jump in and speak to that, perhaps without sufficient compassion for the shock and horror that Israelis and Jews experience on October the 7th. Now, how would you address that one? Well, one, I would want to defend you because I have seen you now on a…

…not just a critique but a humanistic condemnation of the killing of innocent people and you always begin with saying october 7th is not justifiable There's no conditions under which one can put forward a compelling argument that somehow it was justified.…

…right into context and you say this context in no way is an attempt to displace that particular moment. But you don't begin with October 7th, you go back to the Belford Declaration, you go back to 1948 you go back to 1967 and so forth so I would want…

…Look, it's a tough time. I feel like... I have to preface every conversation that we've been having recently since October 7th with an acknowledgement of how weighty this conversation has been, especially on people like yourselves who have been called upon…

…an opportunity to weigh in more broadly on how you're feeling right now about the media coverage of what's happened since October 7th. um the kind of shifts i think in public understanding that have happened some for the better but certainly no big…

…there is something also very liberating about how open, not just Netanyahu, but some of these spokespeople have been since October 7th. Yeah, please go ahead. Well, you know, it's interesting. That candor precedes Netanyahu by several decades. In the 1930s,…

…something out of which you expect progress to come or not because that really was cord at the debate following um october 7th so many people were saying you know even if you support palestinian liberation you have to acknowledge that this is going to…

…seemed like he was a good alternative to Joe Biden up until the point he started talking about Israel. And even prior to October 7th, he put his foot into it on some stuff about COVID that forced him to have a conversation about Israel. And first, I'm…

…Gaza the world's largest concentration camp, and that was decades ago. As far as apartheid, several months before October the 7th, hundreds of Israeli scholars put out a paper calling Israel an apartheid state. So I'm simply repeating, well, the obvious,…

…happening amongst a lot of Jews, a lot of young Jews. When I was in my darkest moments, I was living in Tunisia when October 7th happened. And in the weeks after that, I thought, if I just make 20 videos a day and post them on Instagram, you know,…

…of these young Jews, I only mean these people who grew up, propagandized all their lives. Then after the shock of October the 7th, they're able to look at Palestine and suffering. That gives me hope in humanity. I hear you. So when you ask me, where's…

…like, we fight out of love. They fight out of hate. One fact you wish people understood. It didn't begin with October the 7th. It began a good 130 years before then. And it began with an impossible ambition, which is to create a Jewish homeland in…

…to triumph, but... The warning is in every generation that I rise up against us. And so when something like October the 7th happens, which by any count was a horrific event, if you actually are ahistorical, as the Israeli historian Ilan Papi calls it.…

…historian Ilan Papi calls it. Ahistorical. Ahistorical. Meaning? If you don't know what happened in Palestine, if you don't know, then October 7th seems just like yet another pogrom of the worst sort. And the line is, this is the worst massacre of Jews…

…pogrom of the worst sort. And the line is, this is the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. Yeah. As if October 7th, the killings happened because these were Jews. Yeah, exactly. And whereas, you know, as somebody said, if dinosaurs had occupied or…

…view of what's happened in Palestine, and we're the victims, we're trying to make peace, they're always attacking us, then October 7th is just another revivification of that old traumatic wound. And then where are you going to react from? The defensive…

…you can really see that in Europe. It's a bit like those who seem to want to say that history started at October 7th. There is a... a reluctance. It seemed like, for instance, France has the largest Muslim population in Europe. And somehow it's…

…when it comes to pointing out the truth about the Israeli state and its nature. And as far as history starting on October the 7th, well, come on. In the last 15 years, in 2004, if anybody thinks that history started October the 7th, I want to show…

…history starting on October the 7th, well, come on. In the last 15 years, in 2004, if anybody thinks that history started October the 7th, I want to show them a study that came out in 2004 in the psychiatric journal before Hamas even took over power in…

…me also say something that some of you here may not like at all, but again, that's too bad. What happened on October 7th was an atrocity. Civilians' children should not be murdered anywhere, anytime, by anyone. And I totally understand. To many of my…

…the conflict. Leon Pappius pointed out just a few days ago, just like I pointed out, it did not begin on October the 7th. That doesn't justify anything. The question is not to make somebody wrong and somebody else right. The question is what do we have…

…we may think we're reacting to the political situation. You might think you're reacting to the Hamas attack on October the 7th. Or you might think you're reacting to the Israeli response. Or you might think you're reacting to the whole situation…

…just the political situation. And I know in my own reaction to the events that preceded and took place and followed October the 7th, have to do with something on my own history and my own process with that history, because it's been difficult for me to…

…being engaged because I am engaged. This issue matters to me. It's mattered to me for a long, long time. long before October 7th, decades now. But there's a distinction between being engaged with an issue and being enmeshed with it, entangled with it. The…

…to speak in ways that I have very loudly before. This person was injured, was it in Israel? Yes, yes. Was it on October the 7th or something like that? No, it was in December. He was serving in the army. He was in a tank going into Gaza. So it…

…for years and years. Um, I, my own personal traumas. I also, that I found myself triggered enormously by everything that happened on the 7th and then afterwards. And it's so, um, I don't know how to do it. It's like, I've lost, I feel like I've been…

…I'm conflicted because as much as I love you, Dr. Mate, I'm Jewish and I'm suffering greatly because of what happened on October 7th and what has happened since then. And I wrote something in the notes. I wrote this question. I haven't heard you speak…

…in the Gray Zone news, and I follow him too, follow all of you. But I don't see how that rationalizes what happened on October 7th and the fact that there are now 133 hostages dead or alive that they refuse to return to their homes. And Golda Meir…

…suffering than I've talked about Jewish suffering. That's totally true. Okay. I have acknowledged the Jewish suffering on October the 7th. I've called it an atrocity. I said it was horrific. We've said that innocent people suffered. We've said all that…

…I'm saying let's just be fair to both sides. That's the first point. The second point is in terms of October the 7th being somehow different and of a different category of inhumanity. Well, it was bad enough, okay? Innocent people died and terrible things…

…my perspective, for that suffering to end, there has to be an understanding of what's happened here all these years. October the 7th didn't come out of nowhere. And if you look at the psychiatric studies of Palestinian kids in 2005, 2007, already 20 years…

…first start with your own journey and understanding your past with this topic. But before we go there, you know, the events of October 7th were just enormously painful for so many people. And I would love to just hear kind of how that hit you, where…

…I'm curious, like, how was that when you first heard of that news and how did that land with you? October the 7th found me in Belgrade, Serbia, the former Yugoslavia. I was undertaking a 10-day speaking tour through the former Yugoslavia from Belgrade. My…

…the program Democracy Now! recently. That's a segment everybody should watch. She happened to be in New York on October the 7th. for 10 minutes this principled, brave woman who's written in the Israeli press regularly about the experience of Palestinians was…

…uniquely horrible about what's going on right now is that we were, yes, there was the terrible, unjustifiable atrocity of October the 7th, none of which can be justified by anything of what I said about the history that preceded it. but which itself…

…This is October the 26th. We're barely three weeks, almost three weeks to the date of the horrors of October the 7th. There were pogroms by settlers killing Palestinians all year this year. Nobody reports it. children being killed. No one really reports…

…that the systemic forces of the Israeli apartheid absolutely contributed to the events that unfolded, the tragic events that unfolded on October 7th. And they were like, that's, I can't believe he's saying that. And it's like, you know who else was saying…

…it's obligatory and I think it's even necessary to say, this is my point of view, is that what happened on October 7th wasn't justifiable. That the killings of civilians, whatever details may yet emerge about intentions or what actually happened, that's not…

…over darkness. People of the light, they are the people of darkness and light shall triumph over darkness. Citizens of Israel, October 7th was a very dark and black day in our history. We will fully investigate what had happened at our southern border,…

…compassion of truth. Find it in ourself first. So I'm going to ask a very difficult one. Yeah. We're approaching October 7th. What, what, what, what? We are approaching October 7th. Yeah. When the horrible massacre happened in Israel. Yeah. Where young…

…I'm going to ask a very difficult one. Yeah. We're approaching October 7th. What, what, what, what? We are approaching October 7th. Yeah. When the horrible massacre happened in Israel. Yeah. Where young children were murdered. burnt, babies in ovens. That…

…to God, I'll give you the last word, I promise you. I do promise you that, okay? History did not begin on October the 7th. And here's what I know. Most of my fellow Jews... Now in Canada, you know I mentioned the residential schools? In Canada, four…

…compassion of truth. Find it in ourself first. So I'm going to ask a very difficult one. Yeah. We're approaching October 7th. What, what, what, what? We are approaching October 7th. Yeah. When the horrible massacre happened in Israel. Yeah. where young…

…I'm going to ask a very difficult one. Yeah. We're approaching October 7th. What, what, what, what? We are approaching October 7th. Yeah. When the horrible massacre happened in Israel. Yeah. where young children were murdered, burned, babies in ovens. That…

…to God, I'll give you the last word, I promise you. I do promise you that, okay? History did not begin on October the 7th. And here's what I know. Most of my fellow Jews... Now in Canada, you know I mentioned the residential schools? In Canada, four…

…to actually bring it back to the question at hand. We received a lot of questions about what Hamas perpetrated on October 7th. We received a tremendous amount of questions that actually had to do with the gender-based violence on October 7th. Before we…

…on October 7th. We received a tremendous amount of questions that actually had to do with the gender-based violence on October 7th. Before we get to the gender-based violence, something that Dr. Mattei, I think that you had actually referenced with regard…

…I asked. Whether you agree with the Charter of Hamas or not, are Hamas is Hamas, the way that they acted on October 7th, the gender based violence, the violence in general, the concept of a terrorist attack to begin with, the taking of hostages that…

…as representatives right now of the Palestinian people in Gaza? We know that there was testimony of gender based violence on October 7th. There has been much that has been written, whether in investigative form or by way of actual testimony of whether it's…

…I myself sat in the UN and heard testimony. And I say that in asking the question of what Hamas did on October 7th, are they really acting in the best interest and as the right representatives of the Palestinian people, or are they're doing more…

…or more accurately, what they need to understand more about what is happening there? People think that history began on October the 7th. But as a Jew and a former Zionist, I've been very closely engaged with this issue for decades. And already in 1967,…

…Israel had fought that war to capture territory, but they'll never give it back. And so that when you look at October the 7th, what people need to understand It didn't begin on that day. It's been an ongoing process dating back long before 67 of…

…on the scene as the ruling party in Gaza. So if anybody thinks that the traumatization of the Palestinians began on October the 7th, they need to understand that this is an ongoing event that has shadowed all the 20th century beginning in the late 19th…

…to understand that this is an ongoing event that has shadowed all the 20th century beginning in the late 19th and October the 7th. was just another, not just another, but another tragic flare-up in an ongoing process. Israel referred to it at the time as…

…between the West and the Muslim world, particularly the Arab world, did not begin either with 9-11 or with October the 7th, but well over 100 years before then. And speaking of history, your personal history, let's talk about your journey because it's…

…But over time, You later came to reject Zionism. You've been a very vocal critic of Israel's policies from long before October 7th in 2023. Can you take me through that transformation? What did you learn that changed your mind? I learned reality. I…

…But Israel has also invoked trauma to justify its war on Gaza. The trauma of the Holocaust, the trauma of the October 7th attack itself would often get referenced. The savagery that we witnessed, perpetrated by the Hamas murderers, coming out of Gaza were…

…have a very narrow, selective, and ethnocentric view of history, not just Jews, most people around the world, then October the 7th just seems like another anti-Semitic outrage. And it triggers all that other trauma. And of course, the event itself, with the…

…a very cynical one. of Jewish trauma, because that wasn't an attack on Jews. That was, without justifying the specific events of October 7th, or some of them, or many of them, that was an eruption against an occupation and a siege. And it wasn't targeted…

…And in it, the audience member repeats some now debunked claims about the Hamas attack in 2023. We are approaching October 7th. Yeah. When the horrible massacre happened in Israel. Yeah. Where young children were murdered, burnt, babies in ovens. That didn't…

…of children in Palestine 21 years ago, and 95% of those, this is long before the current horrors, long before October the 7th, long before the aftermath of October the 7th, 95% of those kids showed traumatic symptoms. For people that don't know, Gabor…

…95% of those, this is long before the current horrors, long before October the 7th, long before the aftermath of October the 7th, 95% of those kids showed traumatic symptoms. For people that don't know, Gabor Mate, for the record, is a very prominent…

…is not the case. But then they'll also say all Jews believe in Zionism. Anyway, let's continue. Palestinians. And even before October 7th, when we were meeting our September 30th deadline for the budget, I was going to the Republicans and asking for…

…showed some symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. A large percentage Lest anybody think that history started on October the 7th, a large percentage of kids wet their beds. They were hostile towards their parents. They had nightmares, anxiety, depression,…

…and so on. This was 20 years ago. And when you think of the young militants who streamed into Israel on October the 7th, guess who those kids were? Guess who those young people were? And of course that's been going on for decades upon decades upon…

…and of course there's many millions who do care, a number of things happen. I'll tell you what happened to me after October 7th. It triggered all my childhood trauma. I really went into a state. I was reactive, irritable, despondent. And that took me a…

…the essential, the moral superiority of the Palestinian cause by engaging in indiscriminate killing of civilians And you brought up October 7th and linked it to trauma. But can you talk a little bit about that violent response? We have to acknowledge…

…it to trauma. But can you talk a little bit about that violent response? We have to acknowledge that on October 7th, there were atrocities that were clearly committed by armed Palestinian factions, not systematic rape, not beheading of babies. This was…

…the effects of war on children and of trauma. And this is 2004. And if anybody thinks that history began on October the 7th, 2023, they just don't know their history. Because this study was done in 2004, before Hamas took power in Gaza. It showed that…

…geniuses to predict what's going to happen. Now, I'm not saying, by the way, that Israelis were not traumatized by October the 7th. Sure they were. Of course they were. It was a terrible day for them. And things happened that shouldn't have happened.…

…the Jewish hostages, yeah, nobody had any right to abduct civilians, old people, children. Nobody had any right to do that on October 7th. But you know what? There are hundreds of Palestinian children in Israeli jails. You can be 13 years old and spend…

…heal in the middle of this carnage. You can't heal. Who do you think? Those young men who broke into Israel on October the 7th, and some of them did some really cruel things. I'm not justifying that for one second. But who do you think they were? They…

…20th century, including the mass starvation, wholesale slaughter, and leveling of the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943 by the Nazis. October 7th marked the dividing line between an Israeli policy that advocated the brutalization and subjugation of the Palestinians and a…

…There are a couple of things I want to add. We have to be wise to their tricks. For years, this is before October 7th, whenever the New York Times mentioned Hamas, it would de rigueur add Hamas is an organization that denies the right of Israel to…

…is Maryam Al Rashid. I'm an international law lawyer in New York here in Manhattan. immediately in October of 2023, when after October 7th, right here. And thank you. It feels very small to say to both of you for being here. That's more gratitude than…

…and hearing this, or anyone else who watches, I traveled to a Gulf state not very long after, less than a year after October 7th, and let's just say well within Well before that, the genocide had began. It was genocide. And all I got were thank yous.…

…form of violence caused by political, religious or ethnical motives. Nearly 60,000 Palestinians and 1,700 Israelis have been killed since 7th of October 2023. We also condemn any form of political stigmatization and there is a way this meeting is focused…

…is, as soon as you identify the eternal victim, then anything that happens only reinforces your victimization. So something like October the 7th, If you grow up with the belief that the whole world is against you and the Holocaust can happen anytime and…

…against you and the Holocaust can happen anytime and you are the only victim and always the victim, then October the 7th looks just like another anti-Semitic pogrom. Innocent people were killed. People were abducted who shouldn't have been. I'm talking about…

…incident in a long history of Jewish suffering. But to look at it that way is to ignore history. And October the 7th was not an anti-Jewish event. I'm not justifying it. I've just said that atrocities happened and people were hurt and abducted who…

…resent what we've done to them. And if we're not brutal, they're going to get us. The fact is that on October the 7th, had the occupiers who had besieged Gaza for 20 years, who are deprived of water, electricity, medicines, food, who don't let them…