…But when you turned your vision on, wait a minute, is our general society healthy or unhealthy? when you put Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton on the same shelf in a way, not that they have the same politics or, you know, but that they're driven by the…

…were children. It punished the mothers who were trying to do their best. It said, we can end it. He told me personally, Bill Clinton, when I interviewed him, You'd have to spend a lot more money. You'd have to provide more. They didn't do any of that.…

…sending hundreds of thousands of black men to jail. and his welfare reforms devastated a lot of really poor people. And Clinton, for all his liberal rhetoric and his progressive and somewhat attractive image, really was swept along by the same neoliberal…

…hollowing out of the American industrial heartland, the jailing of millions of black people. and the rising tide of suicides, what Clinton himself has called deaths of despair. Well, these don't come out of nowhere. They come out of social conditions. And…

…where we, the rich, are destroying the poor. He goes further than Marx. You've got Stiglitz, who was in the Clinton administration, warning. We have plenty of enlightened, well, not plenty. We've got a number of even enlightened wealthy people, which…

…in such deep trouble that when we're talking about the vision of a Donald Trump maybe running the country or a Hillary Clinton with all of her cynicism and denial, including her husband's behavior, but everything else about her own upbringing and about…

…to death. This is Trump's brother. What a traumatizing childhood this man had. And so did his opponent, by the way, Hillary Clinton, as I talk about in this book. I'm an equal opportunity trauma diagnostician. I don't choose political parties. It's not…

…and that creates a little trauma. Am I close to it? You're absolutely describing it accurately. Let's take Trump's opponent, Hillary Clinton, if you like. One of your favorite characters, I know that because I've watched your show. So at the Democratic…

…add something here? To be fair... In the book, Methanormal, I actually talk about Trump and his opponent in 2016, Hillary Clinton. And without going into the details now, these are both deeply traumatized people. Traumatized in early childhood, quite severely…

…could give now. It's much later in the book, but I found it really fascinating. And that is this chapter about Trump and Hillary Clinton. Yeah. And you've had Hillary on your program. I have, yes. I adored her. I had so much fun interacting with her.…

…complain. Do what you're supposed to do. Do it to the best of your ability. Spank the kids excessively. Mom said, Trump and Hillary Clinton. Yeah. And you've had Hillary on your program. I have, yes. I adored her. I had so much fun interacting with her.…

…as one of our essential brain circuits because it's an important boundary defense. Now, if a child gets the message, or Hillary Clinton, who I talk about, who runs into her mother's home at age four, seeking protection from bullies, and she's told, there's…

So how would you analyze, since we were analyzing Trump and Hillary Clinton a bit, Bernie Sanders, right? I think of him as the kind of epitome of righteous anger. Yeah, I don't think that's unconscious. I think that's just what we call righteous anger.…

…his policies here. This is not a political debate. And in the book I point out that his opponent was also traumatized, Hillary Clinton. So this is an ecumenical view of trauma and politics. I'm not choosing sides. I'm just saying that you can see his…

…three elections in Egypt. Somebody won. An American-supported coup overthrew them. After Hamas won the election in the occupied territories, Hillary Clinton said, if we're going to have an election, we should have made sure that the right people are going to…

…outcome. That's what curiosity means. That takes a lot, because people are afraid of what they'll find. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton both said that they don't want psychotherapy because they don't want to find out stuff about themselves that they're…

…diagnosed with prostate cancer. Correct. In my view, people that develop cancer have a hard time expressing healthy anger. Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump. There were two traumatized people fighting to govern a traumatized world. That's exactly what I'm…

…was the network in which the mother and father were embedded along with their children. And there were other adults around. As Hillary Clinton quoted the African saying, it takes a village to raise a child. And what she would have meant by that, if she…

…that. I don't think Netanyahu told... I don't think it's that. It's just that everybody knows, from what Antony Blinken and Hillary Clinton and others have now said, that Netanyahu tried to persuade a series of American presidents to do this, and they all…

…can see. No, I'm not talking about his policies. You can like it or not like it. I'm talking about his personality. Hillary Clinton also was very traumatized, which I explain in the book, and there's all kinds of evidence for that, and it shows up…

…prescribe to donald trump But what's really interesting is that in the myth of normal, I talk about both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, and they both had highly traumatized childhood. So when the Americans voted for one or the other, they had a choice…

…have to suck it up. This story was told on public television in front of millions of people the night that Hillary Clinton was nominated for the Democratic candidacy for the presidency. The story was told as a wonderful example of resilience building…

…they don't do self-inquiry. Like Trump said, I don't want to look at myself. I don't want to find out what is there. Hillary Clinton said the same thing. Sarah Palin said the same thing. Margaret Thatcher was the same. So you're never going to get these…

…it away from her presence. Now, this story was told on American television at the 2016 Democratic Convention when Hillary Clinton was nominated for the presidency. And this story was told as a wonderful example of resilience-building parenting. The message…

…and then open it up for questions to the audience. There was a very public display of what you're talking about when Hillary Clinton was nominated for the presidency. And there was a film play about her life narrated by Morgan Freeman. And Hillary was…

…whether gauged by demographic appeal, ethical values, or personality, than 2016 presidential opponents Donald J. Trump and Hillary Rodham Clinton. The differences are easy to spot. The similarities, subtler but instructive. It may come as a surprise to…

…define psychopathy are routinely found in top politicians. One was cold-heartedness, a trait on which Trump and his then opponent Clinton scored in the upper quintile. Donald Trump's cartoonishness, the havoc he wreaked on the US political system, and the…

…or deliberate, first insulated him from devastating rejection in childhood and later served him in the realm of political power. Hillary Clinton is still admired and pined for by many as a tenacious survivor and the rightful winner of the 2016 election.…

…and his only daughter and spanked, at times excessively, his three children to keep them in line, end quote. In the video, Secretary Clinton also shared, my mother wanted me to be resilient. She wanted me to be brave. She then related an instance of how…

…In any case, the life lesson about pushing through the pain did its work. More than six decades later, a campaigning Clinton was ill and dehydrated with pneumonia, but hid her weakness from everyone until she collapsed in the street. I'm feeling great,…

…these traumatized people. Now his opponent, I could go into that, was also traumatized. So you're saying that in Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump, there were two traumatized people fighting to govern a traumatized world. That's exactly what I'm saying.…

…the system that he represents no worse or no better. In fact, he represents it more worse than even a Bush or a Clinton or an Obama certainly can be much more effective in representing the system than Trump is. And that's what Trump's sin is. Trump's…

…that incident? I think most people in their right minds would see that as the traumatization of a child. This was Hillary Clinton. This story was told at the Democratic Convention where she was nominated in a video interview. a biography narrated by the…

…political policy here for a moment, but in the book, in the chapter on trauma and politics, we looked at two opposing candidates, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Now, Trump is a As one of the world's trauma experts, Bessel van der Kolk said to me, is…

…a few weeks ago, Dr. Montague, your article about Donald Trump and the brutality of his father, and you also mentioned Hillary Clinton having experienced something like that. It was a very compassionate article in a way, and I appreciated it. And also that…

…I was researching the book, I read extensively on these two rivals for the presidency in the first Trump presidency, 2016, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. They both said in interviews, almost verbatim, I don't want to look at myself too much because I…

…house, would yell at her. And I talk about this sometime. This is fascinating to me. At the Democratic Convention, when Hillary Clinton was nominated, After the nomination went through, they played a video about her life, narrated by the voice of God,…

…his policies here. This is not a political debate. And in the book I point out that his opponent was also traumatized, Hillary Clinton. So this is an ecumenical view of trauma and politics. I'm not choosing sides. I'm just saying that you can see his…

…that? Would that be parenting that you'd like to celebrate or would you think that's not what the kid needs? This is Hillary Clinton. This is what's amazing about this story. Not that it happened. but that this story was told on public television, or I…

…told on public television in front of millions of people and nobody thought there was anything wrong with that. This is Hillary Clinton at the Democratic convention where she was nominated for presidency and there was a document about her life narrated by…

…States in front of a cheering audience, millions of people watching on television at the Democratic Convention in 2016 when Hillary Clinton was nominated. And it was the voice of God, Morgan Freeman, who actually narrated this bio documentary about her. And…

…well, better him than them. You saw that in your politics, American politics, because the kind of sexual adventurism that Bill Clinton engaged in was never excoriated and criticized as harshly as, say, Trump. Now, Trump was more egregious about it. I mean,…

…pussy because I can get away with it. I mean, that's... Yeah, but he was caught on microphone saying that. I guarantee you Clinton has had similar conversations. That's a good point. But the point I'm really making is that I have to say, not that I'm…

…here. There's nothing to defend. To me, it's a sign of dysfunction. Right. But he was criticized for it far more severely than Clinton ever was for the very same behavior. Mm-hmm. And it works both ways, that people tend to criticize in the other side…

…policy here for a moment, but in the book, in the chapter on trauma and politics, we looked at two opposing candidates, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Now, Trump is one of the world's trauma experts. Bessel van der Kolk said to me, he's a poster…