…the elections in three weeks' time, and you have to choose between the continuation of an army regime, a president who is totally Trump, the ruling army elite that has the coalition for the last 60 years. And you would want to vote for him because you…

…students on campus. Undocumented students have been under attack under the Walker administration. And now with the election of Trump and You know, the saber rattling that he's been doing towards undocumented immigrants and and specifically against sanctuary…

…were just sort of either confused or flabbergasted. They just didn't know what there was. There was a bizarre moment, apparently, where Trump had been hiding behind the curtain. He sort of came back from behind the curtain and spoke for just a couple…

…people together but when you actually look at the list there's a couple of people notable in their absences we've not got President Trump or Theresa May or Emmanuel Macron. And all of these sort of people, I think it was described in The Independent as…

…Davos. And what were these fires about? Well, exactly the thing which is standing against Davos, you know, Brexit, voting for Trump and the Gilets Jaunes, all are things which really stand against what the popular perception of Davos is. Because in popular…

…understand that France is in a very interesting situation because it's a situation where there was the equivalent of a Hillary versus Trump election, but Hillary won. People just weren't going to vote for the fascist because it was so obvious that it was…

…Bush years. And for all of the sort of key withdrawals from particular treaties, Bush, the Bush administration, and even the Trump administration continues to make sure to justify everything they do in the language of international law. So behind the scenes,…

…book just out is B.S. Jobs, A Theory. And he joined us from London. We're going to take a brief station break and back looking into today's barrage of petulant protestations and tweets from Trump claiming he has the absolute right to pardon himself.

…been of these people. And it's a sacrifice that is in a sense, you know, has affected an entire generation. And the fact that Trump now has said that he just wants to sort of turn his back on Syria is something that I think is terrible morally. And…

…this Nazi Germany and Poland? And that should concern all of us because it's kind of creating a new norm that allows people like Trump and even right now in the UK They're talking about, I guess they've already passed a law that says that if you, you…

…is the guy who's running things. But you could blame them. For example, you know, what's happened now in America. You know, Trump used this argument that, you know, jobs are going to Mexico. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. In, for example, Germany, I would…

…is deliberation. Exactly. As the elections are coming up in Germany and France, how anxious are you looking at this? Because Trump is making such a fuss about the fake news and everything. Yeah, well, this is very, very interesting what's going on…

…way of sort of changing to create a more participatory model of propaganda in a way. I think the most revealing thing I ever saw Trump say was that there was a rally after he was elected He was going, you know, sort of like going back to the support…

…you can win. I think that at this moment, we've seen just how disastrous the constant demands for compromise with people like Trump have actually been, you know, while we've simply handed over power directly to them. And what's next, you think, for the…

…and they still don't realize that there was a problem with their model. What do you think about the protests, the Trump inauguration? Well, it's promising. I mean, it shows something which is quite scary, which is the degree to which the militarization…

…in the vicinity if there's, like, even looks like there might be some militant protest. It's funny because people said, well, is Trump really a fascist? He doesn't actually have the brown shirts, does he? You know, he doesn't have a sort of popular…

…and then... Whatever happens, happens. It's part of a large, part of a global movement. So what do you make of the whole Trump thing and the anarchist out there? What's your thoughts on what's been happening over there? I love that guy. He's the shock…

…making people up. Because it is a crisis. People should have been panicking for decades now, but if they can panic because of Trump, then that works for me. So do you think Trump's radicalizing the left? Or is there going to be some... Yes, they have…

…And and um so those are the guys who are just continually shocked. Whereas the other side, the right-wing, people like Trump, are manipulating the cynicism to trick people into thinking that they're the tricksters and aren't being tricked. That's the real…

…tricksters and aren't being tricked. That's the real secret to right-wing populism, as they call it. I remember the real giveaway in Trump Trump's first campaign after he'd won, he did this sort of victory round of rallies. And at one point he mentioned…

…one who says, no, what's important is the powerful white guys, and I must stop David Cameron or whoever it might be from doing Trump or Bush or whoever the bad guy is at this moment. I must stop them, and that's what really matters. Who cares about…

…I can do something about that. This is why it's silly to say we need to protest Putin just as much as we protest Trump. Well, Putin doesn't care if we protest, but Trump might be affected in some way. Anyway, he's claiming to act in our name. You…

…it's silly to say we need to protest Putin just as much as we protest Trump. Well, Putin doesn't care if we protest, but Trump might be affected in some way. Anyway, he's claiming to act in our name. You have an obligation to do something. That's true.…

…something. That's true. I agree with that. But it turns into this thing where they're the only guys who matter, Putin and Trump, and other powerful chess player figures. The guys who are actually trying to make a revolution on the ground are only…

…were, that doesn't mean imperialism leaves the region. This is not necessarily a giant victory for imperialism. I personally feel that Trump is an honest anti-imperialist in some ways, and that he does want to dismantle the American empire or elements of…

…for what they call the liberal elite. And this is very dramatic in America. This is why we have people like Bush and then Trump. It is a phenomenon that can be observed in most places. I was wondering for years why it is so many working class people,…

…is of a set of rules. This is very clear in America. And again, you can see this in the battle of Trump versus Hillary Clinton. Clinton was essentially accused of being corrupt because she would do things like get hundreds of thousands of dollars…

…even been to college, was sort of a member of the elite, based almost entirely on that. And if you look at people like Trump and people like Johnson, how do they manage to pull off being populist in any sense? They're born to every conceivable type of…