…this kind of salon where he goes to Governor Frontenac's house and argues about Christianity and sexual mores and equality. And La Hontan, there was this impoverished baron who joined the army in 1917, kind of took notes. And he later published a book…

…in France's societies were... And they critiqued it. I mean, there was one book that I'm fascinated with by a guy named La Hontan, this impoverished French aristocrat who joined the army and ended up in Canada, got to know all these Huron and Algonquian…

…he became friends with a guy named Candiaronc, who was a Wendat statesman who did go to Paris and met Louis XIV. And eventually La Hontan wrote a book of dialogues with him. So this is late 1600s. This would be 1603 the book came out. That early? Yes.…

…they really think about these guys. You know, they're two... What's that? His full name is Louis Armand de L'Homme d'Ars de la Hontan, better known as... and he has a very strong connection to Amsterdam. Which we'll get to in a moment, yeah. Yes, he…

…And this process of denial, I was reading the other day, it begins very early. I mean, some of the Jesuits who saw La Hontan as the enemy were already saying, oh, he can't really speak the languages. How can he possibly have debate? And this continues…