…many others have long emphasized that money is not an asocial thing, not a neutral medium of exchange. Money conveys meanings, as Keith Hart reminds us. And the meaning of money itself tells us a lot about the way human beings make the communities we…

…us. And the meaning of money itself tells us a lot about the way human beings make the communities we live in. That's Keith Hart. Now, the topic of tonight's discussion hones in on one of the most intractable problems of money in this respect, its moral…

…the money? And it seems to me that one reason is because there's a tension within the very idea of what money is. As Keith Hart was the first to point out, and I tried to develop in my own work on debt, even economists are completely torn about what…

…debts. And it's always been both. And that's kind of what's confusing about money. two sides of the coin, as the anthropologist Keith Hart puts it. But if you look over history, it kind of goes back and forth. Money starts as a credit system, and…