…even war has rules. You know, you always have, like, every now and then you get someone like Attila the Hun or Cortez who just plays by no rules. But they're remembered a thousand years later just for that reason. There's always rules. There's rules…

…started, then Simona's observation on moral dangers of justifying capitalism or like essentializing it. And then this exact point of Cortez and his indebtedness. So first of all, I like, quite opposite experience of reading these chapters in the terms of…